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Asunto:[atlantologos] Atlantis and Tartessus. Norway Scientific Institutions recognize paleographical hypothesis of Spanish investigator.
Fecha: 23 de Junio, 2006  09:44:26 (+0200)
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Atlantis and Tartessus. Norway Scientific Institutions recognize paleographical hypothesis of Spanish investigator.

The National Library and the The Norwegian Institute of Palaeography and Historical Philology (PHI), assigned to the Academy of Sciences and Lettering and to the University of Oslo, Norway, have decided to consider the hypothesis of a Cuban investigator of Spanish origin on an epigraphical interpretation of one of the most ancient inscriptions of the world.

Georgeos Díaz-Montexano studious of the past recognized by some scientists as an authority in paleography and ancient epigraphy - especially in Plato's Greek and Latin manuscripts and the history of the Atlantis - realized a study of identification and interpretation of an enigmatic inscription recorded on an animal bone that appeared a t the beginning of last century in Bench-cover of the Coruña, Galicia, in an archaeological context with an antiquity dated in approximately 6000 years.

The piece in question it was studied by some out-standing specialists in paleography immediately after (as a result of) his publication on a global scale that was in the year 2003, by means of the work of Michel Bouvier, edited in Paris, L'Art de l'Ècriture; nevertheless, it was not up the last year that the signs of writing that appear on the bone were recognized and identified like belonging to a signario Iberian-Tartessian by Dí­az-Montexano.

Perhaps the most interesting of the fact is that not only has been accepted the epigraphical identification of the signs of writing realized by the Hispanic specialist as the most probable but also his peculiar grammatical and semantic interpretation ha s been included - without any fear -, that is to say, the possible reading and meaning that Dí­az-Montexano proposes and that points directly at two names of the antiquity which alone mention provokes all kinds of reactions found between the specialists: Tartessos and the Atlantis. Two names associated more with the legend than to the history. The case is that in the last times is evident like the scientists come closer increasingly the study of the past with an a little more open mentality. Many old myths and legends are being reconsidered from an optical interpretive piece of news that tries to conciliate history and myth, science and legend.

Georgeos Dí­az-Montexano has managed to claim to a great extent the level of verisimilitude and credibility that really there was deserving the history reported in the Plato's Timaeus and Critias on the Atlantis, rescuing it of the stomach of the falsification and the manipulation to which it has been submitted in the last two centuries, fundamentally since it turned into a big commercial claim for many writers and masters of certain philosophical and religious associations.

New interpretations of symbols, myths, ancient manuscripts and codes, and archaeological submarine finds have served to Díaz-Montexano to argue his theories on the Atlantis and the most remote origins of the western European and African civilizations, exactly in Iberia and Morocco. "Ex Occidentis Lux" theorie.

More than fifteen years dedicated to the study and investigation of the past have allowed him to contribute numerous discoveries of big interest - some truly developers - that fortunately, begin to be considered by some scientists and experts of the academic university world.

Source: http://www.Antiquos.com/


This was the title role with which the piece was turning out to be described in the exbicion of the Institute of Paleography and Historical Philology of the Academy of Sciences and Lettering of Norway in the year 2004, before the study of Díaz-Montexano This is the current description where there is recognized the identification and interpretation of the investigator hispanocubano
MS 5237/2

UNIDENTIFIED TEXT

ms5237/2

MS in an unknown pre Indo-European language on stag bone, Bancal de la Coruna, Spain, ca. 4000-3800 BC, 1 bone, 2,2x7,1x1,2 cm, 1 line with 6 Iberian signs, paper label pasted on the back with 3 lines of cursive script: " Ostas grabades con texto? Bancal de la Coruna, Hallaisgode 1916 no 104".

Context: Similar bones are MSS 5237/1 and 5238.

Provenance: 1. Found Bancal de la Coruna, Hallaisgode, Spain, no. 104 (1916); 2. Private collection, Spain, no 104 (1916-); 3. Michel Bouvier, Paris, Cat. L'Art de l'Ècriture, 2003:4.

Commentary: Hans Jensen, in "Sign, symbol and script", pp. 37-39, dates the signs from Dolmen d'Alvao in Portugal to about 4000 BC, being attached to Iberian writing. Stephen Fisher in "A history of writing", pp. 22-24, mentions 210 symbols and signs engraved on objects of the Vincas culture, that have been radio-carbon dated to about 4000 BC. According to Michaël Guichard, in "A history of writing", 2001/2002, pp. 17-19, Vinca (not far from modern Beograd) has given its name to the late Neolithic period of Danubian culture (5000-3800 BC). Clay figurines have been found with marks echoing protopictographic and Uruk IV pictographic script from Syria, Sumer or Highland Iran. The contents of these figurines, the seals of Kotacpart, and the clay tablet found at Gradesnica, remains a mystery due to the paucity of material so far found. This raises the question of where the cradle of continuous writing really was. So far there has been a contest between Egypt and Syria/Sumer/Highland Iran, with overwhelming recent evidence for the latter, dated to around 3500 BC.

Exhibited: The Norwegian Institute of Palaeography and Historical Philology (PHI), Oslo, 13.10.2003-

MS 5237/2

ATAL -TARTE (ATLAS/ATLANTIS - TARTESSOS?)

ms5237/2

MS in an unknown pre Indo-European language on stag bone, Bancal de la Coruna, Spain, ca. 4000-3800 BC, 1 bone, 2,2x7,1x1,2 cm, 1 line with 6 Ibero-Tartessian signs, paper label pasted on the back with 3 lines of cursive script: " Ostas grabades con texto? Bancal de la Coruna, Hallaisgode 1916 no 104".

Context: Similar bones are MSS 5237/1 and 5238.

Provenance: 1. Found Bancal de la Coruna, Hallaisgode, Spain, no. 104 (1916); 2. Private collection, Spain, no 104 (1916-); 3. Michel Bouvier, Paris, Cat. L'Art de l'Ècriture, 2003:4.

Commentary: Hans Jensen, in "Sign, symbol and script", pp. 37-39, dates the signs from Dolmen d'Alvao in Portugal to about 4000 BC, being attached to Iberian writing. Stephen Fisher in "A history of writing", pp. 22-24, mentions 210 symbols and signs engraved on objects of the Vincas culture, that have been radio-carbon dated to about 4000 BC. According to Michaël Guichard, in "A history of writing", 2001/2002, pp. 17-19, Vinca (not far from modern Beograd) has given its name to the late Neolithic period of Danubian culture (5000-3800 BC). Clay figurines have been found with marks echoing protopictographic and Uruk IV pictographic script from Syria, Sumer or Highland Iran. The contents of these figurines, the seals of Kotacpart, and the clay tablet found at Gradesnica, remains a mystery due to the paucity of material so far found. This raises the question of where the cradle of continuous writing really was. So far there has been a contest between Egypt and Syria/Sumer/Highland Iran, with overwhelming recent evidence for the latter, dated to around 3500 BC.
In an article by Georgeos Diaz-Montexano:" Atlantis in an Iberian inscription of more than 6000 years. The oldest writing of western Europe", in: Scientific Atlantology International Society, 2005, the text is tentatively read as ATal-TaRTe, commented as follows: "…It is impossible to deny that these words (Atal) look much like the root that appears in the name of Atlantis, that is an adjectival Atlas form, whereas Tarte adjusts to the root reconstructed by the Spanish specialists on the old name of Tartessos…". "Plato in his history of Atlantis tells that the Atlanteans knew the writing. Strabo affirms that the Turdetanean's towns, direct descendants of the Tartessians, conserved historical annals and laws written in a grammar that went back to more than 6000 years before its time. Academic archaeology does not yet accept that this has been certain, thinking that it is a mere invention of Strabo. Nevertheless, in Iberia there have appeared many testimonies of inscriptions recorded or painted in caves, dolmenes, and in diverse objects of bone and ceramics which date back to more than 4000 BC, although some findings reported by Walterman Fein, Georgeos Diaz-Montexano and Jorge Maria Ribero-Meneses show clear evidence of the use of characters of alphabetical linear writing in palaeolithic context."

Exhibited: The Norwegian Institute of Palaeography and Historical Philology (PHI), Oslo, 13.10.2003-06.2005.


Complementary information:

The Norwegian Institute of Palaeography and Historical Philology (PHI)


http: // www.dagsavisen.no/multimedia/archive/00459/02a1-12_459009g.jpgThe famous Norwegian collector of written ancient documents, Martin Schøyen.

The members of the Board of the Foundation are Mr. Martin Schøyen (owner of the Schøyen Collection), Christoph Harbsmeier (Oslo University, Sinology), Jens Braarvig (Oslo University, Sanskrit, Tibetan, Chinese). Jens Braarvig was elected chairman of the PHI board.

The Institute, as owned by the PHI Foundation, will have a board consisting of the three members of the Foundation Board, and in addition members representing various philological areas: Jan Terje Faarlund (Nordic Philology, University of Oslo) CV-URL, Andrew George (Assyriology, SOAS) CV-URL, Jens-Uwe Hartmann (Sanskrit, University of Munich), Kazunobu Matsuda (Buddhist Philologies, Bukkyo University, Kyoto) CV-URL, Michael Puett (Sinology, Harvard University) CV-URL, Einar Thomassen (Coptology, University of Bergen), Dag Haug (Classical Philology, Oslo). CV-URL





Atlantis in an Iberian inscription of more than 6000 years. The oldest writing of western Europe.

Scientific Atlantology International Society (SAIS) http://DiscoveryAtlantis.sytes.net

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Zoon photo: http://www.nb.no/baser/schoyen/4/4.4/ms5237_2.jpg

Plato in history of Atlantis tells that the Atlanteans knew the writing. Strabo affirms that the Turdetaneans towns, direct descendants of the Tartessians, conserved historical annals and laws written in a grammar that went back to more than 6000 years before its time. Academic archaeology not yet accepts that this has been certain, think that it is a mere invention of Strabo, nevertheless, in Iberia have appeared many testimonies of inscriptions recorded or painted in caves, dólmenes, and in diverse objects of bone and ceramics whose dates go back to more than 4000 years before Christ (6000 years BP), although some findings reported by Walterman Fein, Georgeos Diaz-Montexano and Jorge Maria Ribero-Meneses show clear evidences of the use of characters of alphabetical linear writing in paleolítico context.

Diaz Montexano has identified the characters of an inscription in prehistoric bone discovered in Corunna, Galicia, Spain (the inscription appears reported in "Michel Bouvier, Paris, Cat. L'Art of l'Ècriture, 2003". http://www.nb.no/baser/schoyen/4/4.4/ms5237_2.jpg ), with a clear Ibero-Tartessian sequence, written to the Tartessian way, - that oldest is used in Iberia -, that is, of right to left and the data are very revealing, because apparently it could be mentioning the Atlantis and of Tartessos. The inscription can be transliterated like:

"ATaL-TaRTe".

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As Diaz-Montexano comments:

"... it is impossible to deny that these words (Atal) are looked too much like the root that appears in the name of Atlantis, that is an adjectival Atlas form, whereas Tarte adjusts to the root reconstructed by the Spanish specialists on the old name of Tartessos, that would be something similar to Tarte-, because the suffix -ssos is of Aegean or Greek origin, and it was added with the value of "region", "city" or "country", like in "Kno-ssos". The completion in vowel, could correspond to some ending.

It is very difficult to think that this is only a mere chance. This inscription, on the one hand, confirms the antiquity of the Ibero-Tartessian writings (acord Strabo and Plato) and by another one it seems to confirm the identification of Atlantis or "land of Atlas" with Iberia, as it affirms Plato when saying that a region of Atlantis was called Gadeira (Cadiz, Spain) and that in this same region was the Pillars of Hercules.

In any case, we are before first and only epigraphical evidence found in the world, with an inscription that comes near enough to the names of Atlas and Tartessos, and that it has more than 6000 years of antiquity... "

On these inscriptions of Iberia and western Europe Martin Schøyen writes:

“…Hans Jensen, in "Sign, symbol and script", pp. 37-39, dates the signs from Dolmen d'Alvao in Portugal to about 4000 BC, being attached to Iberian writing. Stephen Fisher in "A history of writing", pp. 22-24, mentions 210 symbols and signs engraved on objects of the Vincas culture, that have been radio-carbon dated to about 4000 BC. According to Michaël Guichard, in "A history of writing", 2001/2002, pp. 17-19, Vinca (not far from modern Beograd) has given its name to the late Neolithic period of Danubian culture (5000-3800 BC). Clay figurines have been found with marks echoing protopictographic and Uruk IV pictographic script from Syria, Sumer or Highland Iran. The contents of these figurines, the seals of Kotacpart, and the clay tablet found at Gradesnica, remains a mystery due to the paucity of material so far found. This raises the question of where the cradle of continuous writing really was. So far there has been a contest between Egypt and Syria/Sumer/Highland Iran, with overwhelming recent evidence for the latter, dated to around 3500 BC…” (The Schoyen Collection: 4. Palaeography. 4.1. The beginning of writing and the first alphabets, Oslo, Februar 2005)

Diaz-Montexano thinks, that the temporary tie with the civilization of Vinca can be surpassed perfectly, because in Iberia clear testimonies of use of signs of linear writing ordered of grammar way in objects and caves of paleolithic exist, and to date nobody has reported something similar in the East of Europe. The old theory of Fein (principles of century XX) from which in Iberia the writing had arisen, at the present time can be confirmed.

Scientific Atlantology International Society (SAIS) http://DiscoveryAtlantis.sytes.net Submitted by: DiscoveryAtlantis.sytes.net

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