Inicio > Mis eListas > terraeantiqvae > Mensajes

 Índice de Mensajes 
 Mensajes 211 al 240 
AsuntoAutor
Arios (Alberto) Javler
Amor a la guerra David Sá
RE: Una exposición David Sá
Re:_Re:_Atenas_pid Alberto
el plomo de hispan David Sa
el substrato celta David Sa
Re:_Re:_Atenas_pid javier n
PUEBLOS EUROPEOS P javier n
Tipos de fortifica Eladio
Tópicos sobre la E Eladio
Re: Tópicos sobre Javler
Atlas sobre la Teb Francisc
Re: Amor a la guer Jm Blanc
RE: Atlas sobre l Mariola
Re:_Amor_a_la_guer Alberto
RE: Atlas sobre l javier n
La urna aramea "Francis
Amor a la guerra ( Juan Bla
Origen de la raza Eladio
Re: Origen de la r David Sa
Re: Origen de la Javler
Re: Origen de la r Alberto
Pueblos europeos.. Alberto
Re: Amor_a_la_guer Alberto
Expoliaciones Arqu José Lui
Ayuda identificaci José Lui
los cuados (Quadi) David Sa
Re: Ayuda_identifi Ana Mari
Re: Tipos de forti Alberto
La lengua primitiv David Sá
 << 30 ant. | 30 sig. >>
 
Terrae Antiqvae
Página principal    Mensajes | Enviar Mensaje | Ficheros | Datos | Encuestas | Eventos | Mis Preferencias

Mostrando mensaje 2174     < Anterior | Siguiente >
Responder a este mensaje
Asunto: el plomo de hispania
Fecha:Sabado, 16 de Noviembre, 2002  01:29:07 (+0100)
Autor:David Sanchez <davius_sanctex @.....es>


As I have argued before, the Iberian peninsula was in Antiquity a main
source of metals in general and lead in particular.  The two pre- or
para-Celtic (Indo-European in any case) words for "lead", *plowdhom
(*plowdhia:) and *bli:wom (or *bli:wa:) [the latter only attested in
Germanic, but borrowed from Celtic if from PIE *bhle:w-] would in
Iberian (whose phonotactics are known to be like those of Basque) have
given *bolobdo (no /p/, no initial clusters, no /w/) and *bilibo (no
initial clusters, no /w/).  Not surprisingly the two got mixed up in
Iberia into something like *bolib(d)o or *bolub(d)o, from which the
Greeks got their word, attested as <molubdos> ~ <bolubdos> (Att.) ~
<molibos> (Hom.) ~ <bolimos> (Epid.) ~ *<bolibos> (Rhod.).  A form
*belumbo (from the same source, or from Latin?) could well be
ancestral to Basque <berun> "lead" (if from Latin, it would have to be
a very early borrowing, as in later loanwords pl- gives l-, e.g.
<pluma> "feather" > Bq. <luma>).

__________
The data:
- Celtic word for 'lead'is the form *loud-, with the tell-tale loss of *p-, was borrowed into Proto-Germanic as *laud-a- 'lead' (also 'plummet' or 'solder'), hence OE le:ad, MHG lo:t, etc.
- In German we have <Blei> (OHG blîo) and Danish <bly> (ON blý) don't belong to the "plumbum" set. They go back to *bli:wo: < *bHli:-wa:, which seems to have been a colour word, 'livid, bluish' (cf. Lith. blývas).
-The Greek word for 'lead' is more obscure. The early forms are <molibos> and <molubdos>. If IE, it may be a derivative of *mlh2- or *mol(h2)-u- 'soft' (cf. Gk. malakos < *ml.h2-ko-). Compare Skt. mRdukRs.n.a:yasa- (= mRdu- + kRs.n.a-ayas-) 'lead' (literally 'soft iron'). Anyway, I can't see how it could be plausibly related to <plumbum>, with which it shares only the occurrence of ..m..l..b.. in the wrong order -- hardly a solid basis for an etymological equation.